From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 04 21:30:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 04:30:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 55049 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 04:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 04:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 04:30:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CXcN-0001bL-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 May 2003 21:30:23 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CXcG-0001b2-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 21:30:16 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 04 May 2003 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CXbz-0001ag-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 21:29:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 28798 invoked by uid 534); 5 May 2003 04:29:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 22:29:59 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030505042959.GJ15743@miranda.org> References: <20030505042035.75119.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030505042035.75119.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: art-lojban, en User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 5122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 09:20:35PM -0700, Jon MacLeod wrote: > If you want to write a detailed proposal on the changes you think > would be good to make in the Lojban language, there is a standard > posted (check the backlogs, look for 'Naziing' in the subject line > for a post by la lojbab. to read the thread from the beginning.) If > you can provide convincing arguments for why to change the things > you think should be changed, I would be willing to bet the community > would accept the changes. (Mind you, you'd have to be extremely > convincing.) I suggest that you all look into the BPFK (the baupla fuzykamni), and its charter, to see what it is allowed to change. Nothing else is going to change. Let me take a moment and save you some time, as well. An overhaul of the morphology and vocabulary is not going to happen. However, there is no reason why you can't go off and make your own language and call it something else, and do whatever you please with it. (And, in fact, base it off of Lojban.) -- Jay Kominek If at first you don't succeed, Increase the amperage. From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun May 04 21:30:26 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 04:30:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 55049 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 04:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 04:30:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 04:30:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CXcN-0001bL-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 04 May 2003 21:30:23 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CXcG-0001b2-00; Sun, 04 May 2003 21:30:16 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 04 May 2003 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CXbz-0001ag-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 21:29:59 -0700 Received: (qmail 28798 invoked by uid 534); 5 May 2003 04:29:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 22:29:59 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030505042959.GJ15743@miranda.org> References: <20030505042035.75119.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030505042035.75119.qmail@web10902.mail.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: art-lojban, en User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 5122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 09:20:35PM -0700, Jon MacLeod wrote: > If you want to write a detailed proposal on the changes you think > would be good to make in the Lojban language, there is a standard > posted (check the backlogs, look for 'Naziing' in the subject line > for a post by la lojbab. to read the thread from the beginning.) If > you can provide convincing arguments for why to change the things > you think should be changed, I would be willing to bet the community > would accept the changes. (Mind you, you'd have to be extremely > convincing.) I suggest that you all look into the BPFK (the baupla fuzykamni), and its charter, to see what it is allowed to change. Nothing else is going to change. Let me take a moment and save you some time, as well. An overhaul of the morphology and vocabulary is not going to happen. However, there is no reason why you can't go off and make your own language and call it something else, and do whatever you please with it. (And, in fact, base it off of Lojban.) -- Jay Kominek If at first you don't succeed, Increase the amperage.