From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 05 04:32:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 11:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 90005 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CeD9-0003m3-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 04:32:47 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CeCu-0003lk-00; Mon, 05 May 2003 04:32:32 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 May 2003 04:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postman1.arcor-online.net ([151.189.0.187] helo=postman.arcor.de) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CeCg-0003lb-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 04:32:18 -0700 Received: from hamwpne1 (pc1-oxfd1-5-cust27.oxfd.cable.ntl.com [62.254.134.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by postman.arcor.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45BWE73019999 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:32:15 +0200 (MEST) Organization: datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG To: lojban-list@lojban.org Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:31:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <3EB667C7.20980.EDCBB2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030504030759.GQ28808@ccil.org> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: Mail message body X-archive-position: 5123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pnewton@gmx.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Philip Newton" From: "Philip Newton" Reply-To: pnewton@gmx.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On 3 May 2003 at 23:07, John Cowan wrote: [gismu] > (only 3 actually have three, and that was done primarily for > pedagogical illustrations). Interesting; up until now I thought there were only two. I've now found all three. I also think I haven't heard the reason given before. > > Or better yet, why not use the three-letter rafsi all > > the time? That would shorten text considerably and, when the words > > are only one syllable long, it could reduce the need for all the word > > shortcuts that may also be complicated to learn. Not only that, but > > using rafsi full-time means that, in order to make lujvo, all you > > must do is jam words together. > > It would also eliminate the difference between tanru and lujvo, an > essential Loglan/Lojban concept. It would also cause a lot of rafsi-used-for-gismu to clash with cmavo. (When I say {li'u}, am I talking about travelling, or am I closing a quotation? Is {bai} the-modal-of-bapli or the-rafsi-for-bapli? etc.) mu'o mi'e .filip. -- filip.niutyn. From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 05 04:32:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 11:32:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 90005 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CeD9-0003m3-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 04:32:47 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CeCu-0003lk-00; Mon, 05 May 2003 04:32:32 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 May 2003 04:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postman1.arcor-online.net ([151.189.0.187] helo=postman.arcor.de) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CeCg-0003lb-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 04:32:18 -0700 Received: from hamwpne1 (pc1-oxfd1-5-cust27.oxfd.cable.ntl.com [62.254.134.27]) (authenticated bits=0) by postman.arcor.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45BWE73019999 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:32:15 +0200 (MEST) Organization: datenrevision GmbH & Co. OHG To: lojban-list@lojban.org Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:31:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <3EB667C7.20980.EDCBB2@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030504030759.GQ28808@ccil.org> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: Mail message body X-archive-position: 5123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pnewton@gmx.de Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Philip Newton" From: "Philip Newton" Reply-To: pnewton@gmx.de X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On 3 May 2003 at 23:07, John Cowan wrote: [gismu] > (only 3 actually have three, and that was done primarily for > pedagogical illustrations). Interesting; up until now I thought there were only two. I've now found all three. I also think I haven't heard the reason given before. > > Or better yet, why not use the three-letter rafsi all > > the time? That would shorten text considerably and, when the words > > are only one syllable long, it could reduce the need for all the word > > shortcuts that may also be complicated to learn. Not only that, but > > using rafsi full-time means that, in order to make lujvo, all you > > must do is jam words together. > > It would also eliminate the difference between tanru and lujvo, an > essential Loglan/Lojban concept. It would also cause a lot of rafsi-used-for-gismu to clash with cmavo. (When I say {li'u}, am I talking about travelling, or am I closing a quotation? Is {bai} the-modal-of-bapli or the-rafsi-for-bapli? etc.) mu'o mi'e .filip. -- filip.niutyn.