From ragnarok@pobox.com Mon May 05 16:20:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:20:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 36097 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:17:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CpCe-00033e-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:17:00 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpCW-00033L-00; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:16:52 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 May 2003 16:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpCL-000334-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:16:41 -0700 Received: from craig [209.42.200.60] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A0C2160D027E; Mon, 05 May 2003 19:16:18 -0400 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: required commas (was Re: Stress of cmene) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030505225457.GA71163@allusion.net> X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.60] X-archive-position: 5136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Craig" Reply-To: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >> > > The problem with 2 is that syllabication of vowels can be changed without >> > > changing the sound of the word, e.g. {malau,is} vs. {mala,uis}. >> > >> > malau,is. is different from mala,uis. if you pronounce it correctly. >> >> I can't hear the difference, but I can hear the difference between {kiku,ius} >> and {kikui,us}. That still doesn't mean that they are different words. >I can hear the difference. The "w" sound moves across syllables. Really? I interpret malau,is as [malawis] and mala,uis as [malaujs]. Maybe I'm just crazy, though. From ragnarok@pobox.com Mon May 05 16:20:11 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:20:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 36097 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:17:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:17:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CpCe-00033e-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:17:00 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpCW-00033L-00; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:16:52 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 May 2003 16:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpCL-000334-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:16:41 -0700 Received: from craig [209.42.200.60] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A0C2160D027E; Mon, 05 May 2003 19:16:18 -0400 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: required commas (was Re: Stress of cmene) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030505225457.GA71163@allusion.net> X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.60] X-archive-position: 5136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Craig" Reply-To: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=48763382 X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl >> > > The problem with 2 is that syllabication of vowels can be changed without >> > > changing the sound of the word, e.g. {malau,is} vs. {mala,uis}. >> > >> > malau,is. is different from mala,uis. if you pronounce it correctly. >> >> I can't hear the difference, but I can hear the difference between {kiku,ius} >> and {kikui,us}. That still doesn't mean that they are different words. >I can hear the difference. The "w" sound moves across syllables. Really? I interpret malau,is as [malawis] and mala,uis as [malaujs]. Maybe I'm just crazy, though.