From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 05 16:29:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:29:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 69401 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:29:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CpP4-0003A8-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:29:50 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpP0-00039p-00; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:29:46 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 May 2003 16:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.28] helo=mwinf0305.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpOo-00039g-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:29:34 -0700 Received: from mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (mwinf0304 [172.22.134.26]) by mwinf0305.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2331A61A97E7 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:02:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from free.fr (AMontpellier-104-1-2-80.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.221.80]) by mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7A3FFA803FCE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EB6C299.9010507@free.fr> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 21:59:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: required commas (was Re: Stress of cmene) References: <200305040821.28114.phma@webjockey.net> <20030504160442.GA73599@allusion.net> <3EB5402C.3060607@free.fr> <200305050958.18927.phma@webjockey.net> <20030505160150.GA68381@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030505160150.GA68381@allusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-archive-position: 5139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nessus@free.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Lionel Vidal From: Lionel Vidal Reply-To: nessus@free.fr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Jordan DeLong wrote: >>As to the ,=' rule, I think it's a mistake. Apostrophes are always >>distinctive, whereas commas are not. {malauis} = {malau,is} <> {malau'is}. >> >> > >I've prooved commas must be distinctive. ,=' is a more sane rule >than the commas-don't-matter rule; it takes precedence. > > > I thought Pierre meant that commas are not *always* distinctive (like in clusters). I like the idea of a sanity scale applied to rules though :-). Best wishes, Lionel From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 05 16:29:51 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:29:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 69401 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:29:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:29:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CpP4-0003A8-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:29:50 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpP0-00039p-00; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:29:46 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 May 2003 16:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.28] helo=mwinf0305.wanadoo.fr) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpOo-00039g-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:29:34 -0700 Received: from mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (mwinf0304 [172.22.134.26]) by mwinf0305.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2331A61A97E7 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:02:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from free.fr (AMontpellier-104-1-2-80.abo.wanadoo.fr [81.50.221.80]) by mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7A3FFA803FCE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:00:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3EB6C299.9010507@free.fr> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 21:59:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: required commas (was Re: Stress of cmene) References: <200305040821.28114.phma@webjockey.net> <20030504160442.GA73599@allusion.net> <3EB5402C.3060607@free.fr> <200305050958.18927.phma@webjockey.net> <20030505160150.GA68381@allusion.net> In-Reply-To: <20030505160150.GA68381@allusion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-archive-position: 5139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nessus@free.fr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Lionel Vidal From: Lionel Vidal Reply-To: nessus@free.fr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Jordan DeLong wrote: >>As to the ,=' rule, I think it's a mistake. Apostrophes are always >>distinctive, whereas commas are not. {malauis} = {malau,is} <> {malau'is}. >> >> > >I've prooved commas must be distinctive. ,=' is a more sane rule >than the commas-don't-matter rule; it takes precedence. > > > I thought Pierre meant that commas are not *always* distinctive (like in clusters). I like the idea of a sanity scale applied to rules though :-). Best wishes, Lionel