From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 05 16:39:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18238 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:39:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CpYR-0003Cg-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:39:31 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpYK-0003CN-00; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:39:24 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 May 2003 16:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpY4-0003CD-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:39:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B5C31FDE for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 02:38:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp101.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.101]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976EE31F98 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 02:38:25 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3EB75968.2000203@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 02:42:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic space References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 5140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "robin.bcc" From: "robin.bcc" Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Craig wrote: >>>>>>Lojban doesn't really classify relations at all: >>>>> >>>>>the gismu list is a large and disorderly bag whose merit is that it >>>>>blankets semantic space, >>>> >>>>has this really been demonstrated? >>> >>> >>>How does one demonstrate that? (Or, for starters, measure semantic > > space?) > >>I would have thought one thing Lojban does very well is classifying >>relations. "Semantic space" is just a (sometimes) convenient metaphor. >>There is no real space out there to be carved up into concepts. > > > Well, in a sense there is. If we only had thirty-five gismu (the lowest > minimum I've heard claimed as necessary) then we would need them all to > encompass a great deal of stuff. No, we could just pick thirty-five things that we thought were worth talking about. robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon May 05 16:39:33 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 5 May 2003 23:39:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 18238 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 23:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 May 2003 23:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2003 23:39:32 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19CpYR-0003Cg-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:39:31 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpYK-0003CN-00; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:39:24 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 05 May 2003 16:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CpY4-0003CD-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:39:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B5C31FDE for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 02:38:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp101.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.101]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976EE31F98 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 02:38:25 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3EB75968.2000203@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 02:42:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: semantic space References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 5140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "robin.bcc" From: "robin.bcc" Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Craig wrote: >>>>>>Lojban doesn't really classify relations at all: >>>>> >>>>>the gismu list is a large and disorderly bag whose merit is that it >>>>>blankets semantic space, >>>> >>>>has this really been demonstrated? >>> >>> >>>How does one demonstrate that? (Or, for starters, measure semantic > > space?) > >>I would have thought one thing Lojban does very well is classifying >>relations. "Semantic space" is just a (sometimes) convenient metaphor. >>There is no real space out there to be carved up into concepts. > > > Well, in a sense there is. If we only had thirty-five gismu (the lowest > minimum I've heard claimed as necessary) then we would need them all to > encompass a great deal of stuff. No, we could just pick thirty-five things that we thought were worth talking about. robin.tr -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin