From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue May 06 18:39:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 01:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 99781 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 01:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 01:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 01:39:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19DDuL-0007lB-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:39:45 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DDtn-0007kn-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:39:11 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 May 2003 18:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DDtc-0007ke-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:39:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 26365 invoked by uid 534); 7 May 2003 01:38:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:38:59 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030507013859.GQ15743@miranda.org> References: <20030507011700.72151.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030507011700.72151.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: art-lojban, en User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 5175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 06:17:00PM -0700, Jon MacLeod wrote: > That is what I offering to help write a proposal on, and I think > that if the work was done on it, that it at least have a chance in > commitee, though i am not confident of it being accepted, merely > because of the stubbornness of those who've ben in the Lojban > community a long time. Or, perhaps, the stubbornness of people who have actually put some effort into learning Lojban because it is supposed to be FROZEN AND UNCHANGING. If you're going to do it, do it, rather than trying to seek approval for it, since you're probably not going to get it. (I'd like to be bluntly honest, and point out that, given the opportunity, I will vote against anything which tries to shrink the gismu to some sort of minimal set. No exceptions. At all. Period. I don't think the people who have put *serious* effort into memorizing the gismu will go for it, either.) -- Jay Kominek Don't worry, Things have an annoying tendency to work out. From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue May 06 18:39:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 01:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 99781 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 01:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 01:39:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 01:39:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19DDuL-0007lB-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:39:45 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DDtn-0007kn-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:39:11 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 May 2003 18:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([209.58.150.153] ident=qmailr) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DDtc-0007ke-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:39:00 -0700 Received: (qmail 26365 invoked by uid 534); 7 May 2003 01:38:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:38:59 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030507013859.GQ15743@miranda.org> References: <20030507011700.72151.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030507011700.72151.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: art-lojban, en User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 5175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jay F Kominek From: Jay F Kominek Reply-To: jkominek@miranda.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 06:17:00PM -0700, Jon MacLeod wrote: > That is what I offering to help write a proposal on, and I think > that if the work was done on it, that it at least have a chance in > commitee, though i am not confident of it being accepted, merely > because of the stubbornness of those who've ben in the Lojban > community a long time. Or, perhaps, the stubbornness of people who have actually put some effort into learning Lojban because it is supposed to be FROZEN AND UNCHANGING. If you're going to do it, do it, rather than trying to seek approval for it, since you're probably not going to get it. (I'd like to be bluntly honest, and point out that, given the opportunity, I will vote against anything which tries to shrink the gismu to some sort of minimal set. No exceptions. At all. Period. I don't think the people who have put *serious* effort into memorizing the gismu will go for it, either.) -- Jay Kominek Don't worry, Things have an annoying tendency to work out.