From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue May 06 18:53:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 01:53:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 84153 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19DE7O-0007nv-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:53:14 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DE6n-0007nR-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:52:37 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 May 2003 18:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DE6c-0007nF-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:52:26 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h471mfEo091994 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:48:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h471mfPx091991 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:48:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:48:41 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) In-Reply-To: <20030507013859.GQ15743@miranda.org> Message-ID: <20030506214650.L90081-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Tue, 6 May 2003, Jay F Kominek wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 06:17:00PM -0700, Jon MacLeod wrote: > > That is what I offering to help write a proposal on, and I think > > that if the work was done on it, that it at least have a chance in > > commitee, though i am not confident of it being accepted, merely > > because of the stubbornness of those who've ben in the Lojban > > community a long time. > > I'd like to be bluntly honest, and point out that, given the opportunity, > I will vote against anything which tries to shrink the gismu to some sort > of minimal set. You say this as if any significant number might disagree with you. Who's more deluded? -- Neoconservatism in the realm of foreign policy is merely Trotskyism-turned-inside-out: a militant internationalism fueled by U.S. taxpayer dollars and backed up by the mightiest military the world has ever seen. From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue May 06 18:53:17 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 01:53:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 84153 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 01:53:15 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19DE7O-0007nv-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:53:14 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DE6n-0007nR-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:52:37 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 May 2003 18:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DE6c-0007nF-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:52:26 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h471mfEo091994 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:48:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h471mfPx091991 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:48:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:48:41 -0400 (EDT) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) In-Reply-To: <20030507013859.GQ15743@miranda.org> Message-ID: <20030506214650.L90081-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Tue, 6 May 2003, Jay F Kominek wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 06:17:00PM -0700, Jon MacLeod wrote: > > That is what I offering to help write a proposal on, and I think > > that if the work was done on it, that it at least have a chance in > > commitee, though i am not confident of it being accepted, merely > > because of the stubbornness of those who've ben in the Lojban > > community a long time. > > I'd like to be bluntly honest, and point out that, given the opportunity, > I will vote against anything which tries to shrink the gismu to some sort > of minimal set. You say this as if any significant number might disagree with you. Who's more deluded? -- Neoconservatism in the realm of foreign policy is merely Trotskyism-turned-inside-out: a militant internationalism fueled by U.S. taxpayer dollars and backed up by the mightiest military the world has ever seen.