From tk1@despammed.com Tue May 06 19:47:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tk1@despammed.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 02:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 48829 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 02:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 02:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (203.125.34.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 02:47:45 -0000 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 501) id 44C9722908; Wed, 7 May 2003 10:49:58 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:49:57 +0800 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Cc: c1tk@c1tk.cjb.net Subject: Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030507024957.GA1380@panda.localdomain> References: <20030506003536.GC27938@ccil.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030506074032.0348f2e0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030506074032.0348f2e0@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Return-Receipt-To: c1tk@c1tk.cjb.net From: tk1@despammed.com Reply-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=134553381 X-Yahoo-Profile: c1tk Hello all, [Robert LeChevalier:] > over to TLI. Prothero in particular invented the use of the "error" token > to define elidable terminators which is a key feature that TLI Loglan and > Lojban both share. Prothero expressly gave us permission in case it proved Apologies for hijacking this thread, but upon hearing about this use of the "error" token, I am starting to feel somewhat uncomfortable. Specifically, I fear that using such strange hacks will make it harder to explain (and grasp) intuitively when certain words can be elided, without referring to a specific 1970's parsing technology. (I am thinking of utterances such as ".i le gerku jersi le mlatu fa'o" without "cu" before "jersi" -- this can be `intuitively' construed as a garden-path utterance for "The dog chases the cat", but will be rejected by an LALR(1) parser.) Thanks, -- GPG:f75949318a026c5707ff188b438cca87faf73a82 http://angelfire.com/folk/sm0p/ GCS/MU d- s: a- C++() UL P++(+++) L++(+++) E- W++ N(+) o K? w--- O? M? V? PS(+) PE Y+ PGP+ t? 5? X- R- tv-() b+ DI(+) D+ G e++ h-- !r>+++ !y From tk1@despammed.com Tue May 06 19:47:46 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: tk1@despammed.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 02:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 48829 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 02:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 02:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (203.125.34.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 02:47:45 -0000 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 501) id 44C9722908; Wed, 7 May 2003 10:49:58 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:49:57 +0800 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Cc: c1tk@c1tk.cjb.net Subject: Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030507024957.GA1380@panda.localdomain> References: <20030506003536.GC27938@ccil.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030506074032.0348f2e0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030506074032.0348f2e0@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Return-Receipt-To: c1tk@c1tk.cjb.net From: tk1@despammed.com Reply-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=134553381 X-Yahoo-Profile: c1tk Hello all, [Robert LeChevalier:] > over to TLI. Prothero in particular invented the use of the "error" token > to define elidable terminators which is a key feature that TLI Loglan and > Lojban both share. Prothero expressly gave us permission in case it proved Apologies for hijacking this thread, but upon hearing about this use of the "error" token, I am starting to feel somewhat uncomfortable. Specifically, I fear that using such strange hacks will make it harder to explain (and grasp) intuitively when certain words can be elided, without referring to a specific 1970's parsing technology. (I am thinking of utterances such as ".i le gerku jersi le mlatu fa'o" without "cu" before "jersi" -- this can be `intuitively' construed as a garden-path utterance for "The dog chases the cat", but will be rejected by an LALR(1) parser.) Thanks, -- GPG:f75949318a026c5707ff188b438cca87faf73a82 http://angelfire.com/folk/sm0p/ GCS/MU d- s: a- C++() UL P++(+++) L++(+++) E- W++ N(+) o K? w--- O? M? V? PS(+) PE Y+ PGP+ t? 5? X- R- tv-() b+ DI(+) D+ G e++ h-- !r>+++ !y