From lojbab@lojban.org Tue May 06 20:22:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 03:22:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 35479 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 03:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 03:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 03:22:47 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030507032247.BSAO24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org>; Tue, 6 May 2003 23:22:47 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030506230928.03786d50@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:16:09 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Cc: c1tk@c1tk.cjb.net In-Reply-To: <20030507024957.GA1380@panda.localdomain> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030506074032.0348f2e0@pop.east.cox.net> <20030506003536.GC27938@ccil.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030506074032.0348f2e0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 10:49 AM 5/7/03 +0800, tk1@despammed.com wrote: >[Robert LeChevalier:] > > > over to TLI. Prothero in particular invented the use of the "error" token > > to define elidable terminators which is a key feature that TLI Loglan and > > Lojban both share. Prothero expressly gave us permission in case it proved > >Apologies for hijacking this thread, but upon hearing about this use of the >"error" token, I am starting to feel somewhat uncomfortable. Specifically, I >fear that using such strange hacks will make it harder to explain (and >grasp) intuitively when certain words can be elided, without referring to a >specific 1970's parsing technology. The specific parsing technology in this case is indeed fundamental to the design of the language. >(I am thinking of utterances such as ".i le gerku jersi le mlatu fa'o" >without "cu" before "jersi" -- this can be `intuitively' construed as a >garden-path utterance for "The dog chases the cat", but will be rejected by >an LALR(1) parser.) It is not rejected by the Lojban parser, but doesn't have that meaning. It merely represents the grammatical list of two sumti: "The dog-chaser, the cat", which might be an answer to the question: ma .e ma cu xebni le gerku -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org From lojbab@lojban.org Tue May 06 20:22:48 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 03:22:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 35479 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 03:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 03:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 03:22:47 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030507032247.BSAO24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org>; Tue, 6 May 2003 23:22:47 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030506230928.03786d50@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:16:09 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Cc: c1tk@c1tk.cjb.net In-Reply-To: <20030507024957.GA1380@panda.localdomain> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030506074032.0348f2e0@pop.east.cox.net> <20030506003536.GC27938@ccil.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030506074032.0348f2e0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 10:49 AM 5/7/03 +0800, tk1@despammed.com wrote: >[Robert LeChevalier:] > > > over to TLI. Prothero in particular invented the use of the "error" token > > to define elidable terminators which is a key feature that TLI Loglan and > > Lojban both share. Prothero expressly gave us permission in case it proved > >Apologies for hijacking this thread, but upon hearing about this use of the >"error" token, I am starting to feel somewhat uncomfortable. Specifically, I >fear that using such strange hacks will make it harder to explain (and >grasp) intuitively when certain words can be elided, without referring to a >specific 1970's parsing technology. The specific parsing technology in this case is indeed fundamental to the design of the language. >(I am thinking of utterances such as ".i le gerku jersi le mlatu fa'o" >without "cu" before "jersi" -- this can be `intuitively' construed as a >garden-path utterance for "The dog chases the cat", but will be rejected by >an LALR(1) parser.) It is not rejected by the Lojban parser, but doesn't have that meaning. It merely represents the grammatical list of two sumti: "The dog-chaser, the cat", which might be an answer to the question: ma .e ma cu xebni le gerku -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org