From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 07 11:42:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 18:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 20510 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 18:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 18:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 18:42:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19DTsV-0001wK-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 07 May 2003 11:42:55 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DTsE-0001w0-00; Wed, 07 May 2003 11:42:38 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 07 May 2003 11:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu ([18.7.7.76]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DTs2-0001vr-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 07 May 2003 11:42:26 -0700 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h47IgOor009839 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h47IgO3n028331 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.243.1.228]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h47IgOU8002161 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19DTro-0006OB-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:42:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:12 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030507184212.GB24405@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <3EB667C7.20980.EDCBB2@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EB667C7.20980.EDCBB2@localhost> X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 5190 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 01:31:51PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > It would also cause a lot of rafsi-used-for-gismu to clash with cmavo. > (When I say {li'u}, am I talking about travelling, or am I closing a > quotation? Is {bai} the-modal-of-bapli or the-rafsi-for-bapli? etc.) That just shows that you can't go halfway. If you're giving Lojban a more reasonable orthography for gismu, you have to change the cmavo too. Which is, incidentally, something I'm working on for my own amusement. -- mu'o mi'e rab.spir From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed May 07 11:42:56 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 7 May 2003 18:42:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 20510 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 18:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 May 2003 18:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2003 18:42:55 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 19DTsV-0001wK-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 07 May 2003 11:42:55 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DTsE-0001w0-00; Wed, 07 May 2003 11:42:38 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 07 May 2003 11:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fort-point-station.mit.edu ([18.7.7.76]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DTs2-0001vr-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 07 May 2003 11:42:26 -0700 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by fort-point-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h47IgOor009839 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h47IgO3n028331 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torg.mit.edu (TORG.MIT.EDU [18.243.1.228]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h47IgOU8002161 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rob by torg.mit.edu with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19DTro-0006OB-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 14:42:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:42:12 -0400 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Message-ID: <20030507184212.GB24405@mit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <3EB667C7.20980.EDCBB2@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EB667C7.20980.EDCBB2@localhost> X-Is-It-Not-Nifty: www.sluggy.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 5190 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rspeer@MIT.EDU Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Rob Speer From: Rob Speer Reply-To: rspeer@MIT.EDU X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 01:31:51PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > It would also cause a lot of rafsi-used-for-gismu to clash with cmavo. > (When I say {li'u}, am I talking about travelling, or am I closing a > quotation? Is {bai} the-modal-of-bapli or the-rafsi-for-bapli? etc.) That just shows that you can't go halfway. If you're giving Lojban a more reasonable orthography for gismu, you have to change the cmavo too. Which is, incidentally, something I'm working on for my own amusement. -- mu'o mi'e rab.spir