From jcowan@reutershealth.com Fri Mar 3 09:50:59 2000 X-Digest-Num: 382 Message-ID: <44114.382.2167.959273826@eGroups.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:50:59 -0500 From: John Cowan Subject: Re: Use and abuse of sets Adam Raizen wrote: > > "klesi" is the gismu for "set", because classes and sets are the same > > concept, except for certain exceptions among the transfinite classes. > > Not that I know much about set theory, but wouldn't the place > structure of the bridi for "mathematical set" have to be close to "x1 > is the set with members x2 (complete specification)". Predicates can't compel their arguments to be a complete specification, unless the argument is (you guessed it!) a set. That would be awfully close to circularity for "klesi". Therefore, klesi are defined in terms of the superset x2 and a membership property x3, the "such that" which in Lojban is "lo ka". -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis vom dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)