From araizen@newmail.net Sat Mar 04 13:39:49 2000 Received: (qmail 809 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2000 21:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 Mar 2000 21:40:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO out.newmail.net) (192.117.188.36) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 4 Mar 2000 21:40:01 -0000 Received: from default ([62.0.165.138]) by out.newmail.net ; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 23:37:56 +02:00 To: lojban@onelist.com Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:41:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [lojban] (no subject) Reply-to: araizen@newmail.net Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.2.2.20000227014828.00b37bd0@127.0.0.1> References: <95163626601@out.newmail.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-ID: <95224188301@out.newmail.net> X-eGroups-From: "Adam Raizen" From: "Adam Raizen" la lojbab cusku di'e > From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" > > At 11:22 PM 02/26/2000 +0200, Adam Raizen wrote: > >la lojban cusku di'e > > > At 12:26 AM 02/24/2000 -0500, BestATN@aol.com wrote: > > > >How do you say in Lojban "I miss you" as a man might say to his wife when > > > >she's in hospital and he has to work? > > > > > > This sounds more attitudinal than anything one would claim with a > > predicate > > > sentence. > > > >Anything you can say with an attitudinal can be made into a > >predicate claim. Sometimes it might be a little clumsy, but it still > >works. > > Yes, but an attitudinal expresses emotion, whereas a predicate claim merely > claims it. A man named John asserting predicatively that "I miss you" is > expressing the identical semantics of a computer saying "la djan [misses] > do. In other words there literally is no emotive content there. It is a > claim, which may be true or it may be false. While no doubt people will > manage to fake emotions in Lojban, the attitudinal is still such an > expression and is beyond truth or falsehood - it is a speech act that > actually conveys what it expresses while expressing it. Granted, but the attitudinals by themselves are pretty vague, which is why I suggested adding attitudinals to the bridi, i.e. something like ".i o'unai mi kanydji do be'uro'i.o'e.i'i.iucai" i co'o mi'e adam araizen@newmail.net ------------------------------------------------------------- The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. --Robert Heinlein