From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Mar 12 12:00:48 2000 Received: (qmail 8243 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 20:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Mar 2000 20:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (199.0.216.101) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 20:01:06 -0000 Received: from bob (dynamic61.cais.com [207.226.56.61]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13546 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:00:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000312145329.00b8a210@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 14:59:46 -0500 To: lojban@onelist.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Mass/Set In-Reply-To: <20000311214313.98329.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 01:43 PM 03/11/2000 -0800, Jorge Llambias wrote: >la lojbab cusku di'e > >It better, since most people who eat apples only eat a fraction of them, > >discarding the core. > >Yes, I forgot to comment about that. Obviously discarding >the core or the peel still counts as eating an apple, but >does eating half an apple count as eating an apple? >It doesn't in English, Only to adults %^) Sometimes my kids "eat an apple" and what is left is easily half. > and I suspect it doesn't count >as {citka lo plise} in Lojban either. Implicit quantifier su'o normally means "one" but could be "part of one" in some circumstances. Let us say that I spot someone's head far away sticking above an obstruction. I would say "I see someone"; "mi viska lo prenu" even though what I saw was far less than a person (one reason why I think of individual people as masses, and indeed individual objects of any kind - if the relevant properties can be met by part of the whole, then we say it applies to the whole rather as a mass). To clearly say you ate the whole apple, you can say piropa or piro le pa lo plise. >co'o mi'e xorxes > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% >Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/936/1/_/17627/_/952810998/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!)