From slobin@ice.ru Sun Mar 12 12:04:52 2000 Received: (qmail 2018 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2000 20:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Mar 2000 20:04:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fair.fe.msk.ru) (194.247.147.11) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (slobin@localhost) by fair.fe.msk.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA12162 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:04:06 +0300 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:04:06 +0300 (MSK) X-Sender: slobin@fair.fe.msk.ru To: lojban@onelist.com Subject: cultural gismu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-From: Cyril Slobin From: Cyril Slobin la xorxes. cusku di'e: > I was happy to find that there was a word for Argentinian, but even so > it seemed to me very arbitrary. I was really excited to find word "softo" in lojban. The fine point here is that there are no such word in Russian! Reading newspapers and books about history, sociology and politic, I observe often how author needs for such word, searches for such word... and fails. "Sovetskiy" (Soviet) implies "communist" and therefore is not applicable for pre-1917 and/or post-1991 Russia (if someone is unaware - foundation and destruction of Soviet State in Russia). "Russkiy" (Russian) is lojban "rusko" and exludes eg. Ukraine. "Rossiyskiy" (also Russian, but rather "gugde rusko" or "jecta rusko") also excludes Ukraine etc. "CIS" seems to be an artificial creature and anyway does not apply to USSR and/or old Russian Empire. There is no way to join Empire/USSR/CIS in one word in current Russian language, so I was pleasantly surprised to find it in lojban. co'o mi'e kir. -- Cyril Slobin