From jcowan@reutershealth.com Fri Mar 17 10:54:07 2000 Received: (qmail 6756 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 18:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2000 18:54:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 18:54:20 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20301 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:54:12 -0500 (EST) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <38D27F8C.CA37A409@reutershealth.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:55:08 -0500 Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lojban@onelist.com" Subject: Re: [lojban] morphology again References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Cyril Slobin wrote: > > It is possible to have fu'ivla like ``spa'i'' that are five letters > > long, but they must have ``'''; no gismu contains ``'''." > > But {spa'i} fails slinku'i test - cf. {bespa'i}. Is it an error or I > have misunderstood something? It's an error. > > All fu'ivla: [...] must not be gismu or lujvo, or any combination of > > cmavo, gismu, and lujvo; furthermore, a fu'ivla with a CV cmavo joined > > to the front of it must not have the form of a lujvo (the so-called > > ``slinku'i test''); > > Are we talking about real lujvo made of real rafsi, or just about > vovel-consonsnt patterns? Eg. can {becfe'e} be a fu'ivla? {becfe'e} > looks like a lujvo, but neither {bec} nor {fe'e} rafsi exists. Just patterns. The set of actual rafsi is not relevant. > 3. Is {anta} a valid fu'ivla? If not, why? Looks OK to me, but I haven't run the full test suite on it. > 4. The same questions for {aunta}. The same answer. > 5. In general, are 4-or-5-letter fu'ivla possible? Yes, I think, especially VCCVV should be legal. -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)