From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Mar 17 11:07:40 2000 Received: (qmail 31782 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2000 19:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 17 Mar 2000 19:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (199.0.216.101) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 19:08:00 -0000 Received: from bob (dynamic79.cl7.cais.net [205.177.20.79]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00424 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:07:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000317135535.00b68100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:06:21 -0500 To: lojban@onelist.com Subject: How good are you at Lojban? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-From: Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group From: Bob LeChevalier-Logical Language Group I dug up the URL for the US government standards on language proficiency. http://www.dli.army.mil/pages_/catalog/skill.htm There are standards in each of the skills: reading, writing, speaking, and listening, and skill level ranges from level 0 to level 5. I am curious as to the level of skill that people using Lojban feel that they have acquired. Is there anyone who feels that they have reached level 3 in any skill according to these standards? How many of us feel that we have reached skill level 2 or 2+. I'm asking everyone reading this who has actually tried to read and/or write Lojban (speaking and listening too, if applicable) to estimate their skill level. (Be honest, but not self-denigrating). For the record, in Lojban, I for example, am either 2 or 2+ in Reading, level 2 in speaking, level 2+ in writing, and barely level 2 in listening. The other question is: how good would *you* need to be in Lojban in order to say that you could/would use the language effectively. I have generally considered level 3 to be the highest realistic target that most anyone could have for an artificial language, unless it comes into general use, but perhaps even this is too high a standard - one that few will seriously aim for. Since in general one will not get better in a language than one is willing to work to achieve, knowing at what level people will be satisfied (and thereby stop working hard to move up) would be useful. For those who know other conlangs, I would also be interested in your self-skill-rating in those other conlangs. I suspect that many Esperantists are more skilled in that language than they are in Lojban. I'd like to get lots of responses, so I suggest sending to me personally unless you have a general comment on the topic, and I will summarize the results. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!)