From iad@MATH.BAS.BG Tue Mar 21 07:09:01 2000 Received: (qmail 29520 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2000 15:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Mar 2000 15:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO argo.bas.bg) (195.96.224.7) by mta2.onelist.org with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 15:09:22 -0000 Received: from banmatpc.math.bas.bg (root@banmatpc.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.2]) by argo.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with ESMTP id RAA32048 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:09:09 +0200 Received: from iad.math.bas.bg (iad.math.bas.bg [195.96.243.88]) by banmatpc.math.bas.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27248 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:09:07 +0200 Message-ID: <38D790A7.42A6@math.bas.bg> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:09:37 +0200 Reply-To: iad@math.bas.bg Organization: Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Lojban List Subject: Re: [lojban] A wide variety of comments... References: <200003180824.DAA00505@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-From: Ivan A Derzhanski From: Ivan A Derzhanski Robin Lee Powell wrote: > For the purposes of meme propogation, what do people think of the > idea of going through the [...] process of getting a Paramount > license and making a 'Vulcan dictionary' that is actually lojban? The idea of Lojban as Vulcan has presented itself to me and a few others, actually, but in reverse, so to speak: not `why doesn't Lojbanistan acquire Paramount's permission to use the name of their logical kindred', but rather `why doesn't Paramount use Lojbanistan's logical language (instead of making their logical kindred communicate by uninflected grunts that don't come across as convincingly logical, even when people try to make a system out of them)'. One problem is, of course, that (as pointed out) Lojban's logicality is not of the same kind of the Vulcan's. Another is that the Vulcans are extraterrestrial folk, so their languages are obviously completely unrelated to anything Terran, and Lojban has transparent Terran roots. (Not that this consideration has stopped people from proposing Vulcan languages in which `logic' is _olozhika_ and `soldier' is _ask'ersu_. ...) And do we want to be associated with Star Trek anyway? There are Klingonists (such as myself) who don't appreciate being thought of as Trekkies; many Lojbanists (such as myself again) wouldn't either. > and then I thought to myself, "[...] Maybe if it caught on > people would start being _less_ violent and rude to each other > instead of more so". They would do no such thing. The reasons for violence and rudeness are social/economic/historical/political in nature, not linguistic. (Many IAL proposers take the contrary for granted, something I find very objectionable.) -- (Abu t-Tayyib Ahmad Ibn Hussayn al-Mutanabbi) Ivan A Derzhanski H: cplx Iztok bl 91, 1113 Sofia, Bulgaria W: Dept for Math Lx, Inst for Maths & CompSci, Bulg Acad of Sciences