From graywyvern@hotmail.com Mon Apr 03 13:59:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13142 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2000 20:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Apr 2000 20:59:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.156) by mta2 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 20:59:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 18882 invoked by uid 0); 3 Apr 2000 20:59:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000403205947.18881.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.176.48.54 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:59:47 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.176.48.54] To: lojban@onelist.com Subject: games (was: re: new lojban website) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:59:47 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-eGroups-From: "michael helsem" From: "michael helsem" Easy to use the format of this, i like it.... While browsing, i noticed the old coinages for "game" using -KEI (of KELCI) instead of SELKEI, are still there. While of course the ultimate meaning of lujvo will defer to usage, in order to say 'baseball player' this way, we'll be saying 'baseballplayer player' literally... I think more precisely, however, a game is a sort of ritual, so that "to play a game" is RITLYKEI (children play without any fixed rules, so that SELKEI might simply be what they do, then); & "the game itself" would be KEINRITLI. Which brings me to a caution: it is much better to have to coin your own, however awkward, lujvo, than to rely on unanalyzed readymades--if too many people learn Lojban this way, it will end by causing the meanings of component rafsi to drift away from their original gismu... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com