From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Apr 12 12:45:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1741 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 19:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 12 Apr 2000 19:45:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (205.252.14.63) by mta2 with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 19:45:05 -0000 Received: from bob (ppp23.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.23]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18185 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000412154402.00a63f00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:48:48 -0400 To: lojban@onelist.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RECORD:translating names In-Reply-To: <5a.3bab202.2625fb78@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 12:16 PM 04/12/2000 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: >Names taken from a particular language try to mimic that language as closely >as possible in Lojban, even to the point of violating some Lojban rules. >Thus, the Lojban name for the capital of Russia might well be Moskvas (old >habits die hard) despite the usual illegality of -kv- in Lojban. I'm not sure I agree with this one, especially since in the case in point, Russian phonotactics rules dictate a Lojbanizable form for the name, by making voicing agree with the final consonant of the group. This then comes down to whether the written or spoken form takes precedence - if the Russians will pronounce it "la mozgvas", should the spelling agree with tradition or with the spoken form. Most languages go with traditional spelling but evolutionary pronunciation, but I don't think Lojban should because of the importance of audiovisual isomorphism. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!)