From richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com Fri Apr 14 15:37:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27893 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2000 22:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Apr 2000 22:37:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO latimer.mail.easynet.net) (195.40.1.40) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 22:37:08 -0000 Received: from rrbcurnow.freeuk.com (tnt-16-85.easynet.co.uk [212.134.28.85]) by latimer.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152BF537B3 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:37:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=richard) by rrbcurnow.freeuk.com with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 12gEdH-00002x-00 for lojban@onelist.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:32:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:32:10 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Richard P. Curnow" To: Lojban List Subject: Interaction of SE and NAhE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-From: Richard Curnow From: Richard Curnow coi rodo I'm considering the interaction of SE and NAhE. The following examples and my guesses at the English equivalents show what I mean. mi se klama (I am a destination) mi na'e klama (I am other than a go-er) mi na'e se klama (I am other than a destination) mi se na'e klama (I am the destination of other than a go-er) mi se na'e te klama (I am the destination of other than an origin) Thinking about this problem, I've concluded that if mi broda ijo mi na'e brode then (broda) and (na'e brode) are constrained to have the same place structure. In examples like the more complicated ones above, I think na'e means 'other than' the x1 meaning of whatever's to the right of it. If a SE occurs to the left of na'e, it exchanges the scalar-negated place into one of the x2-xn positions, as in the final example. li xo cu jei drani co'o mi'e ritcyd. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard P. Curnow rpc@myself.com Weston-super-Mare Network time sync for Linux/Solaris/Dial-up at United Kingdom http://www.rrbcurnow.freeuk.com/chrony/