From pycyn@aol.com Sat Apr 15 02:02:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18356 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2000 09:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Apr 2000 09:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo16.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.6) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Apr 2000 09:02:52 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id h.db.2e34382 (3847) for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 05:02:43 EDT Subject: RECORD: abstractions from names. To: lojban@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 33 X-eGroups-From: Pycyn@aol.com From: pycyn@aol.com The property of being n is mela n-- and so reference to that property involve leka mela n or so. Strictly, me means "is on of the referents of'' ' ," and so differs from du in allowing plural descriptions to follow. But further, me is not a predicate, especially not a two-place one like du, but rather a way of converting a sumti into a predicate, so that me la n is a one-place predicate. Thus leka mela n makes sense a property in a way that leka du la n does not exactly. Being John Malkovitch is, presumably, le zu'u la djan malkovitc.