From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Apr 15 11:56:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10158 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2000 18:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Apr 2000 18:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.224) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Apr 2000 18:56:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 79090 invoked by uid 0); 15 Apr 2000 18:56:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000415185630.79089.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.41.247.34 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:56:30 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.34] To: lojban@onelist.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Interaction of SE and NAhE Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:56:30 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-eGroups-From: "Jorge Llambias" From: "Jorge Llambias" la ritcyd cusku di'e >mi na'e se klama >(I am other than a destination) > >mi se na'e klama >(I am the destination of other than a go-er) I don't think there is any difference between those two, because {na'e} applies to the selbri, not only to the first argument. {klama} and {se klama} represent the same relationship, and {na'e} is the negation of that relationship . >Thinking about this problem, I've concluded that if > >mi broda ijo mi na'e brode > >then (broda) and (na'e brode) are constrained to have the same place >structure. I'm not sure why you would conclude that. For example, this is true: mi prenu ijo mi na'e klama and {prenu} does not have the same place structure as {na'e klama}. The sentence is true because I am a person and I'm not going anywhere right now, not because there is any causal connection between being a person and being a non-goer. Logical connectives make no claims about causal connections. I suspect what you meant was that if {mi broda ijo mi na'e brode} were true in all possible worlds or under all possible circumstances, then {broda} and {na'e brode} would be constrained to have the same place structure. (In fact, they would be constrained to mean the same thing, wouldn't they?) But that is not how {ijo} works. All it does is say that either both sentences are true, or both are false, here and now, not in every possible world. co'o mi'e xorxes ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com