From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Sat Apr 15 17:19:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13268 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2000 00:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Apr 2000 00:19:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3-gui.server.ntli.net) (194.168.4.200) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Apr 2000 00:19:37 -0000 Received: from m13-mp1-cvx1c.gui.ntl.com ([62.252.12.13] helo=andrew) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 12gcf0-0000te-00 for lojban@onelist.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:11:35 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] RECORD:za'o Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:19:51 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8a.26ab07a.2626e67f@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-eGroups-From: "And Rosta" From: "And Rosta" pycyn: > What is gone beyond is anything that would be expected to end what in fact > continues. In processes, this is most naturally the completion of the > product, but destroying the machinery, for example, also will do. For states > and activities (I don't think achievements can go on overtime since they > don't go on at all), If they don't go on at all, then that's only by definitional fiat. Most achievements (e.g. a train crossing a border) have or lack duration according to how magnified one's view of it is. My personal favourite za'o/superfective examplar involves in fact "become full", as with a suitcase that becomes full but continues to be stuffed beyond this point. --And.