Subject: Re: [lojban] So, wait til you feel a cold no-nose

From: "Jorge Llambias" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:39:53 PDT

la pycyn cusku di'e

>Grammatically, X modifies Y just means that X+Y => Z, that together they 
>form a new grammatical unit, whose meaning is a regular function of the 
>meanings of X and Y (the function
>determined by the rule cited for the analysis).
>Neither is changed -- or both are -- but the one does not change the other.

Your definition is symmetrical in X and Y. Grammatical
modification is not, if X modifies Y then usually it
is not the case that Y modifies X. Z has the same grammatical
character as Y, whereas X could be something quite different.

>The places of {jmina} after the agent place look about right. It's easy to 
>add an agent in lojban; how do you drop one?

{zi'o} is used to drop a place, but I avoid it as much as
I can, it doesn't feel right. Isn't {sumji} the agentless
{jmina}?

co'o mi'e xorxes

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