From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu May 04 06:39:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22338 invoked from network); 4 May 2000 13:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 4 May 2000 13:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.69) by mta2 with SMTP; 4 May 2000 13:39:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 52291 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2000 13:39:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000504133953.52290.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.128.10.26 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 06:39:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.128.10.26] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] So, wait til you feel a cold no-nose Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 06:39:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >Grammatically, X modifies Y just means that X+Y => Z, that together they >form a new grammatical unit, whose meaning is a regular function of the >meanings of X and Y (the function >determined by the rule cited for the analysis). >Neither is changed -- or both are -- but the one does not change the other. Your definition is symmetrical in X and Y. Grammatical modification is not, if X modifies Y then usually it is not the case that Y modifies X. Z has the same grammatical character as Y, whereas X could be something quite different. >The places of {jmina} after the agent place look about right. It's easy to >add an agent in lojban; how do you drop one? {zi'o} is used to drop a place, but I avoid it as much as I can, it doesn't feel right. Isn't {sumji} the agentless {jmina}? co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com