From phm@A2E.DE Mon May 08 06:17:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15452 invoked from network); 8 May 2000 13:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 May 2000 13:17:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.camelot.de) (195.30.224.3) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 May 2000 13:17:52 -0000 Received: from robin.camelot.de (uucp@robin.camelot.de [195.30.224.3]) by mail.camelot.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21497; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:17:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from oas.a2e.de (uucp@localhost) by robin.camelot.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id PAA21494; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:17:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost by wtao97 via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:13:48 +0000 (/etc/localtime) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1999-Nov-8) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:13:47 +0000 (/etc/localtime) X-Sender: phm@wtao97.oas.a2e.de To: pycyn@aol.com Cc: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban / Most translated Web Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: PILCH Hartmut > As I just said about some other meshugash, this "logical" has nothing to do > with Lojban being a logical language, and so that line of chat is irrelevant > here. The pattern of relevance for the order of things is consistently > throughout the language "most used first" (or "least used last") so long as > it is consistent with the basic design. wrong. The structure of lojban tanru is like yyyy-mm-dd: central part in the end, delimiting peripherals prepended (or elided) as far as necessitated by the context. The ddmmyy structure comes from latin and other west-european languages, where the composites are built using the genitive (or English 'of'): central part in the beginning, delimiting peripherals appended (or elided). day 3 of month 12 of year 1999 This would perfectly translate into a Lojban tanru structure of 1999 12 3 which could of course, when needed, be transformed to 3 be 12 be 1999 -phm