From nellardo@concentric.net Mon May 08 10:58:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16297 invoked from network); 8 May 2000 17:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 May 2000 17:58:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO darius.concentric.net) (207.155.198.79) by mta1 with SMTP; 8 May 2000 17:58:06 -0000 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA08994; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:58:06 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from concentric.net ([216.112.226.144]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA04814; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3916E447.CE1C2AB@concentric.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 12:59:58 -0400 Reply-To: nellardo@concentric.net Organization: Herds of Wild Buffalo Girls X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojbanizing my (nick)name References: <20000508062023.D30621@hackandroll.org> <04fe01bfb8e0$c78f36e0$22191bc1@rus.ger.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brook Conner ls daniel. cusku di'e > I think laylun is illegal, so that would leave you with "lylu?" > (replace ? with any consonant you are comfortable with). Also, > I would stress Lalo as LAlo and not laLO, so should this be > the case with your name, writing it as LYlun may be > preferable since "y" doesn't take stress by default. It's also possible to prefix a consonant to "hide" the "la", e.g., la slalon. la mlalon. etc. > > I'd also like to have a lojbanized version of my IRC nickname - > > Bastet - but not literally (cmene-ly). In the context I use it, > > it means "cat person" (like a werewolf, but with a cat instead > > of wolf). Anyone wants to suggest a lujvo for that? > cat person > mlatu/lat + prenu/pre > > mix and stir, add spices according to taste. ;-) > > My mind keeps on suggesting "la mlatupren." as a lujvo-based name > but I haven't yet worked through the lujvo-making rules to see if > this is correct. Anyone? No, I think you can only use the complete gismu for the last part of a lujvo. And the final consonant is for a semantic-less name, I believe, like "brukcr" or "daniel" - la by itself indicates that the following selbri is in fact being used nominatively in the current sumti. So: la latprenu la latpre but not *la mlatupre or *la mlatuprenu or *la latpren. Otherwise, it breaks into "la mlatu *pren." which I think doesn't parse - there can't be anything between "la" and the name - otherwise you'd start getting lexical ambiguities (like whether you meant "*la mlatu pren." - the cat named pren, or "la mlatupren." - "Mlatupren" the name). If what Lalo wants is a sematically meaningful name, then I think it is "la latpre" or "la latprenu" or perhaps a reversal: "la premlatu", depending on whether Lalo preferes to be named a "cat-kind-of person" - "la latpre" or a "person-kind-of cat" - "la premlatu". Note that "*la prelat" is incorrect - it would have to be "la prelat.", which would simply be the name "Prelat" with no particular semantics involved. This is related to a question of my own - I'm writing a children's book, and considering doing it in both English and lojban. The main character is Max the dog. So the opening sentence goes (in English): Max the dog loves to go for walks. which I've translated as follows when maintaining word order: la maks. gerku cu se pluka lo nu cadzu or as follows when following a more "native" lojban order: lo nu cadzu cu pluka la maks. gerku So does the "la" extend to cover the "gerku"? I know that without the "cu", this second would parse as so: x1 ( lo nu cadzu pluka ) x2 (la maks.) selbri (gerku) or "The event of walking-kind-of-love/enjoyment is a dog of breed Max." So is "la maks. gerku" a legit sumti? Or does the "gerku" part need to become a sub-bridi, i.e., "Max, who is a dog," or "la maks. poi gerku"? Or la maks. poi gerku cu se pluka lo nu cadzu Hmm. Think I just answered my own question :-) Brook