From lojbab@lojban.org Mon May 08 12:49:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17381 invoked from network); 8 May 2000 19:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 May 2000 19:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (205.252.14.63) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 May 2000 19:48:14 -0000 Received: from bob (ppp48.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.48]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16048 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000508154649.00ac3a10@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:50:34 -0400 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban / Most translated Web Page In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 01:13 PM 05/08/2000 +0000, you wrote: > > As I just said about some other meshugash, this "logical" has nothing > to do > > with Lojban being a logical language, and so that line of chat is > irrelevant > > here. The pattern of relevance for the order of things is consistently > > throughout the language "most used first" (or "least used last") so > long as > > it is consistent with the basic design. > >wrong. > >The structure of lojban tanru is like yyyy-mm-dd: central part in the >end, delimiting peripherals prepended (or elided) as far as necessitated >by the context. A date is not a tanru; it is more similar to a name. You seem to be arguing on the basis of restriction, and Lojban restricts using relative clauses/phrases (poi/pe/po/po'u) which can go either before or after a sumti but are less marked after the sumti. In general, restrictive information goes later in the sentence (tanru being an exception, but turning a tanru into a relative clause also moves the restriction to the right in default). lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!)