From lojbab@lojban.org Mon May 08 15:22:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1944 invoked from network); 8 May 2000 22:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 8 May 2000 22:22:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy.cais.net) (205.252.14.63) by mta3 with SMTP; 8 May 2000 22:22:54 -0000 Received: from bob (ppp48.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.48]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23778 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 17:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000508172700.00abe400@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 17:29:56 -0400 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Lojban / Most translated Web Page In-Reply-To: References: <64.2813af7.26485ec9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 07:27 PM 05/08/2000 +0000, PILCH Hartmut wrote: >There are other examples of silly centrifugal order in German, e.g. "S 828 >BGB", which is just an abbreviation for something like "Section 828 of the >Civil Law". Nobody can argue that it suits human thinking well to first >dive down into a section and then look up and see what body of law we are >talking about. There is no deeper meaning to these language conventions. >They are just habits that evolved out of the language's grammer pattern >and were never questioned, no matter how unpractical the results were. I agree that they probably evolved out of the language's grammar pattern, but you persist is seeing tanru as the more basic grammar pattern of Lojban, and dates as being tanru, whereas the basic unambiguous structure is the restrictive clause/phrase, or the added specified place on a predicate (with a sumti tcita when necessary). Both of these tend to be added to the end in Lojban, though there are ways to prepend them. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org (newly updated!)