From pycyn@aol.com Fri May 19 01:54:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31307 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 08:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m2.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 May 2000 08:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo20.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.10) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 May 2000 08:54:53 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id a.b4.57e5ab0 (4587) for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 04:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:54:46 EDT Subject: RECORD: abstractions from names. To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com The property of being n is mela n-- and so reference to that property involve leka mela n or so. Strictly, me means "is one of the referents of'' ' ," and so differs from du in allowing plural descriptions to follow. But further, me is not a predicate, especially not a two-place one like du, but rather a way of converting a sumti into a predicate, so that me la n is a one-place predicate. Thus leka mela n makes sense as a property in a way that leka du la n does not exactly. Being John Malkovitch is, presumably, le zu'o me la djan malkovitc.