From jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Fri May 19 09:38:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16311 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 16:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 May 2000 16:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bach.math.ucla.edu) (128.97.4.246) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 May 2000 16:38:10 -0000 Received: from simba.math.ucla.edu (root@simba.math.ucla.edu [128.97.4.125]) by bach.math.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03186 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jimc@localhost) by simba.math.ucla.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00321 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:38:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: simba.math.ucla.edu: jimc owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:38:09 -0700 (PDT) To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RECORD: emotions In-Reply-To: <7c.5b842b3.26565b4e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "James F. Carter" This seems related (not identical) to the performative <-> constative duality. Performative: saying it makes it true. "I now pronounce you man and wife". Constative: the speaker just wants to convey information. "Those two got married yesterday." It would seem to me that none of these, performative, constative nor expressing an emotion, have a whole lot to do with "making a claim", which to my mind means acting like a philosopher and staking out an intellectual position and aggressively asserting its truth value against the opposition of jackass competitors. [Let X = author of "How to Say Things with Words", which pc recommended that I read many years ago, and which is now out of the catalog at UCLA! Hiss, boo! So I can't refresh my memory, which is bad about people.] But having defined "performative" and "constative", X pointed out that any utterance has a tendency to be both at once, just more or less. And when the spouse says "you didn't send me flowers", the response will definitely end up as a combination of expressing the emotion of painful separation, plus conveying the fact that it was felt at the prior time, plus establishing one's sincerity (one hopes) by saying the appropriate words, plus staking out a claim of innocence if the hoped-for effect of the previous three aspects fails to mollify the spouse. In Lojban, how do you tag a bridi to indicate that it's performative? James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Internet: jimc@math.ucla.edu (finger for PGP key) UUCP:...!{ucsd,ames,ncar,gatech,purdue,rutgers,decvax,uunet}!math.ucla.edu!jimc On Fri, 19 May 2000 pycyn@aol.com wrote: > Note the difference between saying you have an emotion and expressing that > emotion. The first is either true or false, the second is neither, but > operates at a more basic level, displaying the emotion, not talking about it. > ...