From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri May 19 16:53:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12896 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 23:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 May 2000 23:53:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.197) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 May 2000 23:53:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14329 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 2000 23:53:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000519235346.14328.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.155.88 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:53:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.155.88] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RECORD: emotions Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:53:46 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >The instant case here was how to say "I miss you" to the wife who is in the >hospital while the husband is at work. This looks >like a call for expression and so {be'uro'i} [absence emotion] with o'unai >[stress], o'e [closeness], a'a [attentive], and of >course .iu and dai with another attitudinal to indicate empathic >identification with how she is feeling (oiro'udai - empathy >with her pain). That comes out as {be'uro'i o'unai o'e a'a iu oiro'udai}, much longer than the original, and it is not even clear that she is the object of the emotion. My personal preference is against such long strings of attitudinals, I can't follow what the emotion is. (And it sounds awful with so few consonants.) I agree that saying that you feel an emotion is not necessarily equivalent to expressing the emotion, but it may be one way to do it, or at least the bridi statement may be an important part of the expression. The claim does not have to be an expression of emotion, but it can be. Besides, I don't think that disecting the emotion into so many components is really more expressive than a statement. It even seems more rationalistic than a plain statement if you have to analyze what you feel in so much detail. >On the other hand, simply claiming that you miss her, >something like {mi kanydji do} (but, as we know from Honey, this is not >quite the same, since he has to add that he longs to be with her after >saying he misses her) suffices (maybe {caudri}would be better? x1=c1=d1, >x2=c2=tu'a >d2). Yes, I like {caudri}. When this question came up I tried to think of something with {claxu} because I think that's the core of the emotion (in French they even use the same word for both concepts). I would say {mi do caudri}, perhaps adorned with some atttudinal, but with the bridi as the base. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com