From rlpowell@csclub.uwaterloo.ca Sun May 21 17:03:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4335 invoked from network); 22 May 2000 00:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 May 2000 00:03:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.134.11) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 May 2000 00:03:31 -0000 Received: from calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05887 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005220003.UAA05887@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> To: "lojban@onelist.com" Subject: Re: [lojban] Help with fiction In-Reply-To: Message from "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" of "Sun, 21 May 2000 17:00:33 EDT." <4.2.2.20000521165759.00b07170@127.0.0.1> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:03:18 -0400 X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell >At 04:42 PM 05/20/2000 -0400, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >>{mipri girzu}? {sivni girzu}? >> > >> >You have presented reasons why they are not necessarily a tradition >> >"cabal". With Lojban, they have decide just what they are trying to say. >> >>Why? It's a name. If I call myself "la carmi gusni misno", a >>literalist translation of 'Robin', to wit, "Bright Fame", I am _not_ >>nescessarily saying that I am a bright light nor than I am famous, let >>alone that I am a bright light type of famous, whatever that may mean, >>any more than a person with the last name Bear is asserting their >>bear-like qualities. > >I am mystified by the problem then - why don't they just call themselves >"la kabal" or even "la cabal" if they are not interested in the >connotations? True. >And if they are interested in connotations, then my point is that they >have to decide which ones they want to convey and choose the name that >conveys them. But your original comment was to the effect that if they're not really a secret group, they shouldn't have a name that says they are. I opine that the facetious, tounge in cheek humour of having such a name is just fine in lojban, and that to say it's not is to think like a computer, more or less. -Robin -- http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. ... stripped of our uniqueness as human beings by Darwin, exposed to our own inadequacies by Freud, ... Power -- "the ability to bring about our desires" -- is all that we have left. --- Michael Korda, _Power!_