From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat May 27 16:25:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10528 invoked from network); 27 May 2000 23:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 27 May 2000 23:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.200) by mta2 with SMTP; 27 May 2000 23:25:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 57534 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2000 23:25:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000527232558.57533.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.152.104 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:25:58 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.152.104] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] coi rodo - mi'e .aulun. Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:25:58 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >An interesting analysis and one that is possible for Chuang but does not >make >much fun of Hui. Well, Hui falls in all the traps that Chuang sets up for him, so we shouldn't make fun. >I would take it -- on the basis of this English, anyhow -- >that Chuang's win comes from his point that the original question was "HOW >do >you know?" and that that question only makes sense when it is agreed that >"you" DO know. Yes, but if Hui had asked {ju'apei} in Lojban, i.e. "what evidential are you using?" then he would not be agreeing that Chuang knows. But in that case, Chuang's answer would be overtly evasive, at least until he finally responds {se'o}, "I know internally". If they had been speaking Lojban instead of Chinese we would have been spared the parallelism stuff. >Is it a strange claim that you have to be a just like another >person to really know what they think/feel? Chuang seems to accept it -- >indeed insist on it -- but it is not a win for him, only a draw. I think the more credible claim is that the more you are like another, the closer you will be to "knowing" what they think/feel. But they seem to deal in black and white, ignoring the different distances that might exist between Chuang and the fish and between Hui and Chuang. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com