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Subject: Re: [lojban] coi rodo - mi'e .aulun.
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From: "James F. Carter" <jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU>

I agree that in translating a Chinese name "xxx Tze", "xxx sen" is a rather
non-authentic lojbanization. My wife, who is a native speaker with a
reasonably decent Mandarin accent, pronounces that category of name as "xxx
dz". For example: en. "Laotze" <- cn. "Lao2 dz5" -> lb. "laodz". 

The 5 represents a tone kind of like 4th (high even) but very much not
emphasized. 

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On Sat, 27 May 2000, Ivan A Derzhanski wrote:

> Jorge Llambias wrote:
> > >Chuangtze and Huitze had
> > >strolled on to the bridge over the Hao,
> [...]
> > i ca le nu la tcuantsen e la xuitsen
> 
> In my view {n} is a very poor choice of a consonant wherewith
> to end a cmene made from a Chinese name, because it's one of
> the very few that the hearer won't be able to recognise as such.
> All things considered, I'd go for {tcuan,ts} and {xuei,ts}.
> (Or maybe not. People might be tempted to insert an auxiliary
> vowel between the two components of the affricate, which would
> be awful.)
> ...