From richard@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com Mon Jun 05 15:21:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2646 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2000 22:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 5 Jun 2000 22:21:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scrabble.freeuk.net) (212.126.144.6) by mta2 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2000 22:21:05 -0000 Received: from [212.126.153.16] (helo=rrbcurnow.freeuk.com ident=root) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12z5F1-0002fE-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 23:21:04 +0100 Received: from richard by rrbcurnow.freeuk.com with local (Exim 2.02 #2) id 12z5E9-0000CN-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:20:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:20:09 +0100 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] (Technical) Problem area in v3 grammar Message-ID: <20000605232009.A759@rrbcurnow.freeuk.com> Reply-To: Richard Curnow Mail-Followup-To: lojban@egroups.com References: <200006041853.OAA13654@locke.ccil.org> <00e501bfce8b$5bed0820$2f75bad0@cjnelson> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <00e501bfce8b$5bed0820$2f75bad0@cjnelson>; from cjnelson@CYBCON.COM on Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 06:14:10PM -0700 From: Richard Curnow On Sun, Jun 04, 2000 at 06:14:10PM -0700, Clark & Janiece Nelson wrote: > On the other hand, John's modification would make true the statement > from The Complete Lojban Language, chapter 10, section 27: "It is > grammatical for a termset to be placed after a tense or modal tag," thus > removing a contradiction from the Book. > More thoughts ... I tried the example in the book that follows the statement : la frank. sanli zu'a nu'i la djordj. lu'a lo mitre be li mu nu'u and interestingly it does parse already! - although, the zu'a is parsed as a single term (i.e. a floating tense), rather than a tag applying to the following nu'i..nu'u termset. So if you use John's 'tag termset' construction with the existing grammar, you don't get the meaning you think you're getting. Hence, the extra grammar rule is necessary to make this construct useful as a fix for the problem I originally raised. (If you really want zu'a to be a floating tense in the above example, you'd have to put ku afterwards.) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard P. Curnow rpc@myself.com Weston-super-Mare United Kingdom http://www.rrbcurnow.freeuk.com/