From pycyn@aol.com Wed Jun 14 08:05:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7813 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 15:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2000 15:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta3 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 15:05:15 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id a.65.599b604 (3937) for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <65.599b604.2678f923@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:05:07 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: le/lei/la/lai ... Brutus & the rest To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com In a message dated 00-06-13 17:27:31 EDT, aulun writes: << But it's wrong too saying: lei latmo prenu ... because it's pointing to the *set* of Romans (which is not the culprit!) and leaving out Brutus/Pilatus (which - assuming here for this example - *are* the culprits). >> {lei} etc. point not to the *set* of Roman people -- which,as you note, is incapable of doing much of anything -- but to the *mass* of Roman people, a very different (and considerably less well-defined) object. It does manage to do just about anyhting that its "members" do and to cumulate their actions into bigger ones, while retaining some sense of the different involvements. (Sets are {le'i} etc.)