From graywyvern@hotmail.com Wed Jun 14 14:29:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8538 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 21:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 14 Jun 2000 21:29:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.64) by mta1 with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 21:29:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 39761 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2000 21:29:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614212938.39760.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.176.48.55 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:29:38 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.176.48.55] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lujvo Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:29:38 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "michael helsem" .oizo'o slabu ke gadri nuncfipu filu'e zoigy. really is gy. (The dreaded words "really is" strike again!) >From: John Cowan >To: "lojban@onelist.com" >Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: lujvo >Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:30:23 -0400 > >Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > I would have read "lo > > [dragon] klama" as ipmyling something like "Some dragons, oh, by the > > way, dragons really exist, go", which is apparently wrong. So I take it > > all back. :) > >The problem with that is the notion "really exist". As Ray Smullyan says, >you can no more examine a chair and tell if it is "real" than you can >examine >a window and tell if it is going to be broken in a few hours. Reality is >the dream-state we don't wake up from (except perhaps when we are dead, >who knows). > >But yes, predicating something about dragons implicitly asserts that there >are dragons to predicate about. > >-- > >Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! || John Cowan > >Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com >Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan >Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com