From phma@oltronics.net Fri Jun 16 07:59:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32408 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 14:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jun 2000 14:59:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.oltronics.net) (204.213.85.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 14:59:19 -0000 Received: from neofelis (root@localhost) by mail.oltronics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06270 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:59:16 -0400 X-BlackMail: 207.15.133.11, neofelis, , 207.15.133.11 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 10:59:16(EDT) on June 16, 2000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: mi zo'a klama Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:57:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20000615232829.1697.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000615232829.1697.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00061522260004.00980@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Pierre Abbat On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Jorge Llambias wrote: >la pycyn cusku di'e > >>I take {za'o} to mean over-completion of the the described event -"He kept >>on >>building the hosue" means he kept building after the house was done. > >Right, as long as he was still doing some building of the >house. > >>So here >>you keep going after Pineville is passed. > >But he is no longer going _to Pineville_! How can he keep >going there if he is no longer going there? I don't think >{za'o klama py} can be the same as {klama lo bancu be py}. I think that the natural end of going to Pineville is Pineville, so "mi za'o klama py" means "I go past P". The difference between "za'o klama" and "klama lo bancu" is that in the former, you intended to stop but kept going, which the latter does not imply. If you want to specify where you actually end up, you can say "mi klama la Rak Xil za'o le nu mi klama la Painvil". (I was going to say "klamu'o", but that would imply that the going was complete at RH, which it wasn't - it was complete at P, but I kept going.) For "I keep going out of habit", I would say "mi za'o ta'e klama" - "mi ta'e za'o klama" would mean "I am in the habit of going too far". To distinguish "I went past Pineville" from "I took too long to get to Pineville", you could say "mi fe'e za'o klama la Painvil" for the former. phma