From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Jun 16 11:50:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15421 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 18:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jun 2000 18:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.122) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 18:50:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 97654 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jun 2000 18:50:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000616185017.97653.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.49.74.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:50:17 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: mi zo'a klama Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:50:17 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" la pier cusku di'e >I think that the natural end of going to Pineville is Pineville, The natural end of the going is not Pineville but the arrival there. >so "mi za'o >klama py" means "I go past P". The difference between "za'o klama" and >"klama >lo bancu" is that in the former, you intended to stop but kept going, which >the >latter does not imply. That would work if {mi} was the only argument of the relationship. But {klama} has five arguments, and you can't claim that the relationship still holds between them when it no longer does. >If you want to specify where you actually end up, you can say "mi klama la >Rak >Xil za'o le nu mi klama la Painvil". (I was going to say "klamu'o", but >that >would imply that the going was complete at RH, which it wasn't - it was >complete at P, but I kept going.) That is better, I think. It still deos not justify the other one. >For "I keep going out of habit", I would say "mi za'o ta'e klama" - "mi >ta'e >za'o klama" would mean "I am in the habit of going too far". I agree that is more precise, yes. But it doesn't justify the "past Pineville" interpretation. >To distinguish "I went past Pineville" from "I took too long to get to >Pineville", you could say "mi fe'e za'o klama la Painvil" for the former. This one might work. Without {fe'e}, for me, it doesn't. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com