From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Jun 16 15:05:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14593 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 22:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jun 2000 22:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.88) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 22:05:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 4943 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jun 2000 22:04:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000616220459.4942.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.152.150 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:04:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.152.150] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Mi za'o klama Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:04:59 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >I think the point is that Pineville still is the *destination* but not the >place he is going to end up -- at least unless he turns around. As long as Pineville is still considered as the destination, it seems all right. >Suppose he >stops off in Charlotte; his destination is still Pineville but he has >stopped >short of it and that is the (nearly mirror to za'o){mi co'u klama la >painvil >la ralix} or (more completely) {mi klama la painvil la ralix co'u la >carlyt} Yes! I agree with that {co'u} example. >If a person uses {za'o} in the original sentence then he is, admittedly, >continuing the same relation, but that relation does not depend on where he >ends up. Right, but it is clear that by using {za'o} he is not just making a locational description, "I went past Pineville". He is saying that he is still going to Pineville, that he keeps going to Pineville (whether he will eventually get there is not that important, but he is still on his way there). There is no strong clue to suggest that he went past it, that is only one of the possible unrealized completions so we would need to get that from some context. And only if he is planning on turning back would it make sense to me to use {za'o}. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com