From robin@xxxxxxx.xxx.xxx Sat Feb 20 10:14:33 1999 X-Digest-Num: 67 Message-ID: <44114.67.320.959273824@eGroups.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:14:33 +0200 From: Robin Turner On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Robin Turner wrote: > > > {do drani .i ku'i .ru'a} some languages rely more on metaphor than > > others, > > I'm skeptical. What are you basing this assumption on? Note use of {ru'a}. It's a speculation/postulation, not an assumption. I think languages start out very metaphorical, then some of the metaphor gets subsumed into the grammar, so the target domain loses any cognitive connection with the source domain. {mu'a} the Turkish equative suffix -dir/dIr/dur/dür comes from the old Turkish stem turu- (or was it türü- ?) meaning "stand", and the progressive suffix -yor- comes from yoru- (modern Turkish yürü-) meaning "walk", but there's no real connection now. English seems to have done this less than many languages, possibly because of it's Creole origins and isolating structure. Whorf contrasted Hopi with English along these lines. > > > (a question I raised on the cogling list, with a deafeningly silent > > response). > > I think you have to be part of the 'in-crowd' to get listened to on the > COGLING list. Actually, not my experience. I'm a mere {ga'inai} English teacher, but they listen to me sometimes! {zo'o} when I get a personal response from George Lakoff, I'll know I've really arrived! > Although the 'funny math' thread I started was somewhat > amusing for a while. {.ua.ue} so that was YOU! I thought I was the only Lojbanist on the cogling list. co'o mi'e robin.