From robin@BILKENT.EDU.TR Sun Jun 25 16:34:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31695 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2000 23:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 25 Jun 2000 23:34:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr) (139.179.10.13) by mta2 with SMTP; 25 Jun 2000 23:34:31 -0000 Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (slip5.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.70.15]) by firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5PNbBD25263 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:37:11 +0300 (EET DST) Sender: robin@Bilkent.EDU.TR Message-ID: <3956976C.5DB3BE72@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:36:12 +0300 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RECORD: containers References: <20000625231457.65157.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robin Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la pycyn cusku di'e > > >I skip over the problem (for which lb has no better solution > >than English) of internal and external negations -- that this is > >a bottle but not one containing something, and simply say > >that, given we do acknowledge that ta is a bottle > > This is the point. If we take the place structures seriously, > ta is actually being a botpi only when it contains something, > a side effect of the inflated place structures. Can't you have a botpi containing nothing (or air?)?