Subject: Re: PLEA: Chinese names

From: "Alfred W. Tueting (Tüting)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:56:37 -0000

--- In [email-masked], Ivan A Derzhanski <iad@M...> wrote:

> Using /r/ doesn't seem to be a good idea, because syllabic
> (retroflex) /r/ does exist in Mandarin -- _shi_ and _shir_
> are different syllables (and _shi_ is different from _she_,
> although _shir_ and _sher_ sound the same).

Would you please give some examples for the phonem contrast of _shi_
and _shir_ (as I can't imagine! - it's both: /cr/)?

> (and _shi_ is different from _she_

that's right, but: /cr/ and /cy/

> although _shir_ and _sher_ sound the same)

no - _shir_ doesn't seem to exist (it's py: shi /cr/); sher is py:
she-er /cy,r/ (/cy/+/yr/)

.aulun.