From pycyn@aol.com Sat Jul 01 06:59:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16505 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2000 13:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Jul 2000 13:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r11.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.65) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Jul 2000 13:59:17 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id a.f2.7ec6f1 (4556) for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:59:14 EDT Subject: RE: opposite of za'o To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com I just noticed what an odd word "opposite" is in this context. I took pier to be asking for one thing, and now several others have come to light. {za'o} means "continuing beyond a natural end-point" (roughly -- we'll ignore the fine points here). I took pier to be asking after "stops before a natural end point," which looks like {co'u} to me. BUT some other notions have come up, the mirror images of these, it seems -- or these of the complementary event? "going before the natural starting point" (stop not going before the natural ending point of not going?) "start well after the natural starting point" ("not going at the natural starting point" =? keeps on not going after natural time to go?) All of these seem to get involved in the "still" "already" "yet" complexes. Comments eagerly sought.