From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Jul 01 08:25:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 31874 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2000 15:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 1 Jul 2000 15:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.160) by mta1 with SMTP; 1 Jul 2000 15:25:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 70636 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2000 15:25:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000701152531.70635.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 200.42.155.235 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:25:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [200.42.155.235] To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: opposite of za'o Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:25:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >{za'o} means "continuing beyond a natural end-point" (roughly -- we'll >ignore >the fine points here). >I took pier to be asking after "stops before a natural end point," which >looks like {co'u} to me. But isn't {co'u} used for any stop, before, at, or after a natural end point? If {co'u} does have the implication of "before the natural end point" then {ba'oco'u} works for the "no longer" period (since {co'u} by itself is just for the stopping point, not for the following period). But I think {co'u} is not so specific. >BUT some other notions have come up, the mirror images of these, it seems >-- >or these of the complementary event? >"going before the natural starting point" (stop not going before the >natural >ending point of not going?) This one is "already", right. >"start well after the natural starting point" ("not going at the natural >starting point" =? keeps on not going after natural time to go?) I would make a distinction between those two. "start well after" would be "finally" or "at last". What you have in brackets is "not yet". "Finally" is what comes after "not yet": {ba'o za'o na}, "the aftermath of the over not". mi ba'o za'o na se zdani I am home at last. >All of these seem to get involved in the "still" "already" "yet" complexes. >Comments eagerly sought. I wish we had a simpler "already" than {na za'o na}. co'o mi'e xorxes ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com