From pycyn@aol.com Sun Jul 02 17:41:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25877 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2000 00:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 3 Jul 2000 00:41:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d03.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.35) by mta1 with SMTP; 3 Jul 2000 00:41:58 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id a.bb.4cd8b00 (4546) for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 20:41:53 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: Opposite of za'o To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com In a message dated 00-07-02 12:28:58 EDT, xorxes writes: << I would classify {co'i} together with what you have as spanners, because it is a point but non-transitional. I think more than the extension of the interval what is significant is the change of state. >> But an achievement is the paradigm change of state - from not to so: winning (or coming in last for that matter), being born, getting elected, etc. And all changes of state are ultimately instantaneous, though the activities around them can go on for a while and often get called by the same name. (Not that the duration element is of moment here.) <> But, if these premature and postsenile cases are to be allowed at all, we can -- and must -- be able to talk about the natural ending and starting even if it does not occur, else there can be no talk of unnatural ones. They may be fuzzy, but there is still a line. <> Nice one! Yes.