From jcowan@reutershealth.com Mon Jul 10 11:41:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 30553 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 18:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Jul 2000 18:41:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 18:41:36 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@skunk.reutershealth.com [204.243.9.153]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27463; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Sender: cowan@mail.reutershealth.com Message-ID: <396A189D.18FA06B@reutershealth.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:40:29 -0400 Organization: Reuters Health Information X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jorge Llambias , "lojban@onelist.com" Subject: Re: Languages' names for Lojban (was: RE: [lojban] French word for "Lojban" References: <20000709150840.94208.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan Jorge Llambias wrote: > I would have placed the stress on the first syllable, like > "minister", is that against the rules-such-as-they-are? Probably not. I think that the *default* rule for English stress is penultimate stress, but there are so many exceptions (including essentially the whole of the inherited word stock) as to make the rule almost useless except in the case of a non-word. In fact, the word "Manaster" is the middle name of well-known linguist Alex Manaster Ramer. How that is pronounced, I have no idea, though I do know how to pronounce Peter Ladefoged's name: /l&d@'f@ug@d/. (Evidently his ancestors swallowed the well-known Danish potato.) For that matter, I don't know how "minister" got initial stress. > In any case, if the word became a common word it would > certainly acquire a more English pronunciation, Absolutely. > In English, borrowed words tend to keep their spelling, Alas. -- Schlingt dreifach einen Kreis um dies! || John Cowan Schliesst euer Aug vor heiliger Schau, || http://www.reutershealth.com Denn er genoss vom Honig-Tau, || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Und trank die Milch vom Paradies. -- Coleridge (tr. Politzer)