From pycyn@aol.com Mon Jul 10 16:48:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15307 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 23:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m3.onelist.org with QMQP; 10 Jul 2000 23:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d08.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.40) by mta1 with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 23:48:27 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id a.ea.7c9d667 (3931) for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:48:22 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] RE: zi'o & otpi To: lojban@egroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 From: pycyn@aol.com In a message dated 00-07-10 17:39:16 EDT, somebody writes: << > Even after the last Beagle is killed and eaten, the concept "Beagle" will > remain. >> Can we be losing not only the timelessness of Lojban predicates untensed (mutter, mutter!) but also the distinction between {se gerku} and {ka se gerku}. The property can surely exist (Platonists take note) in what ever way properties do exist even if nothing ever has that property (it does in some world or situation or even tinier realm). By parity of the {botpi} case (what this all started with, look you), all the places have to be filled simultaneously for the any part of the whole to apply. Hence no breed without a dog someworld. But properties are functions into worlds and so not IN any world (except META, the world about all the other worlds) and thus exist in a nicely tautologous way. Remember pudgala!