From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Jul 14 19:38:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24464 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2000 02:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m4.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Jul 2000 02:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay3-gui.server.ntli.net) (194.168.4.200) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Jul 2000 02:38:08 -0000 Received: from m3-mp1-cvx1c.gui.ntl.com ([62.252.12.3] helo=andrew) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 13DHgy-0004NZ-00 for lojban@egroups.com; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:28:37 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] RE: zi'o & otpi Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:38:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" pc: > In a message dated 00-07-10 17:39:16 EDT, somebody writes: > > << > Even after the last Beagle is killed and eaten, the concept "Beagle" will > > remain. >> > > Can we be losing not only the timelessness of Lojban predicates untensed > (mutter, mutter!) but also the distinction between {se gerku} and {ka se > gerku}. "Beagle" is a se gerku, not a ka se gerku, which is what defines the entire class of dog breeds. The dogless dog breed that some DNA-specifying software defines is neither a se gerku nor a ka se gerku. Possibly it is se ckaji be lo ka se gerku; I'm too dozy to think that through. Or maybe: {lo ka ce'u gerku la'o gy this new hypothetical dog breed}. {ro da poi de ka ce'u gerku ke'a} would refer to every dogbreed. --And. > The property can surely exist (Platonists take note) in what ever > way properties do exist even if nothing ever has that property (it does in > some world or situation or even tinier realm). By parity of the {botpi} case > (what this all started with, look you), all the places have to be filled > simultaneously for the any part of the whole to apply. Hence no breed > without a dog someworld. But properties are functions into worlds and so not > IN any world (except META, the world about all the other worlds) and thus > exist in a nicely tautologous way. Remember pudgala! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click.egroups.com/1/5531/4/_/17627/_/963272908/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com >