From phma@oltronics.net Sun Jul 16 16:37:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11352 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2000 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m1.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Jul 2000 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.oltronics.net) (204.213.85.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 16 Jul 2000 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from neofelis (root@localhost) by mail.oltronics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00676 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:36:59 -0400 X-BlackMail: 207.15.133.33, neofelis, , 207.15.133.33 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 19:37:13(EDT) on July 16, 2000 To: lojban@egroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Again: le se gerku zi'o Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:23:40 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <8kt5av+dg67@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <8kt5av+dg67@eGroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0007161935500D.00877@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Pierre Abbat On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, Alfred W. Tueting (Tüting) wrote: >I remember an illustrated volume on saurians with all the different >types listed and thoroughly designed in detail: We can say that >the saurians once had lived on our globe a long, long time ago, that >they're extinct since then and - it is most probable they're never >to come again. >Now let us find a Lojban word for them, say, the lujvo brabrarespa? >from: >respa res reptile x1 is a reptile of species/breed x2 >brabrarespa: barda+barda+respa saurian x1 is a saurian of >species/breed x2 >and hence: se brabrarespa or selbrabrarespa! I already proposed tepyrespa, which is a calque so maybe it's malxelso. Some of them, such as Scaphognathus crassirostris, were quite fearsome without being particularly big. But that wasn't exactly a dinosaur; it was a pterosaur. >There indeed is no (at least 'potential') brabrarespa, but (see >above) scientific volumes filled with descriptions, classifications, >genetics etc.: there indeed must be a Lojban word like /se >brabrarespa (zi'o???)/ to mirror our present world! Language in the >first place is subordinate to reality (though maybe sometimes also >can influence the world around us through its speakers >perception). Dinosaurs may not be alive today, but they were in the past, so /se brabrarespa/ does have a referent. As to S. crassirostris, this species appears to have been alive in the 17th century. See http://www.rae.org/egscphrv.html . And the coelacanth was used as an index fossil (i.e. if a coelacanth turns up in a rock it must be so old) until a gombessa (Comoran coelacanth) turned up in a fish catch at Chalumna. phma